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Nearly one-tenth of hemisphere's mammals unlikely to outrun climate change by fungussain climateskeptics

[–]butch123 1 point2 points ago

Has it been published for the world to see?

The Younger Dryas was much more of a severe climate change than is even projected by Jim "the seas are boiling" Hansen. Tell me did even 10% of the species die out then? NO? well those dirty bastards..they do not even know when to die on cue!

Let us see what exactly this study used for data:

."based on 10 global climate models and a mid-high greenhouse gas emission scenario developed by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change."

Uh oh! they admit it was based on the climate models declared invalid by Jim!!!!!! Oh Noes!

Conjecture upon supposition upon guess......

here is one false assumption: the researchers ASSUMED the animals would disperse once per generation. Uh OH!

Now please tell me exactly the version of monkey dispersion model used to determine when and how fast a monkey would disperse when surrounded by ample food and when he needed to go looking for food.

Was this the A model? no? the T model then?

BTW, the temperature changes by up to 20 degrees per day those poor mammals must be totally near death.

Nearly one-tenth of hemisphere's mammals unlikely to outrun climate change by fungussain climateskeptics

[–]butch123 2 points3 points ago

Hansen is spot off. Calculating incorrectly is not to be excused as if it is some minor error when he goes before the political machine to try and squeeze more money out of them and get them to institute major life changing policies.

April 2012: Earth's 5th Warmest On Record And La Niña Officially Ends, So The Heat Is On. by ItsJustAConspiracyin climateskeptics

[–]butch123 3 points4 points ago

I don't ride more than a few minutes at a time , I take the dog out to the cranberry farm where my nephew works and the kids all ride for a few hours. However that might change when I get a tag on the 200.

Peter Gleick cleared of forging Heartland documents by an 'external review' by kokeyin climateskeptics

[–]butch123 4 points5 points ago

Looks like this one was pulled.

Report: 1000+ Peer-Reviewed Papers Supporting Skeptic Arguments Against ACC/AGW Alarm by Poptechin climateskeptics

[–]butch123 0 points1 point ago

Say 100 Our Climates and 50 Hail Hansens...

You may go your sins are forgiven.

Scientists have identified thousands of sites in the Arctic where methane that has been stored for many millennia is bubbling into the atmosphere. by darohitsterin science

[–]butch123 -2 points-1 points ago

A single CO2 molecule in isolation, or a closed system with a constant uniform density of CO2 may absorb a very well known wavelengths of light with well known absorption efficiency. But then you have to model the atmosphere to take into account the density of CO2 molecules in 3d space, and the interaction of light with other molecules and the surface. And there's other gases to take into account such as water vapor and methane, whose concentrations over time are going to be uncertain and influenced by other things, which themselves are uncertain. Precisely which is why Al Gore's climatethon failed miserably when the effect of CO2 was demonstrated. The experiment had to be faked to give the result that was desired. The problem with models is that too many unknowns are guessed at and parameters made on assumptions are entered. This is why temperatures are consistently less than modeled. Modeling has giant holes in predictive ability.

Modelers need a track record to demonstrate they are correct. Glomming on to a rise in temperatures that has been continuing more or less for several hundred years as proof of their model continuing to give correct prognostications....well where are the predictions that from the early 2000s the temperature would have a major change in rate of increase?

It didn't fit the bill so any that possibly could have been tweaked to give such a result were not considered correct.

Nearly one-tenth of hemisphere's mammals unlikely to outrun climate change by fungussain climateskeptics

[–]butch123 1 point2 points ago

A particular population of primates will come and go according to a variety of conditions. The existing primate colonies/populations are impacted by climate change much more in relation to the previous impacts of other issues and their population count.

If a forcing occurs on a population it either responds or perishes....Those that respond survive. Any attempt to quantify this MUST be done in a scientific study...which this climate money grab was evidently not.

Nearly one-tenth of hemisphere's mammals unlikely to outrun climate change by fungussain climateskeptics

[–]butch123 2 points3 points ago

Look here young Jabba, the temperature have not been correctly predicted. Witness the witless prognostications of Jim Hansen. Yes temperatures did increase but did not continue as he predicted.

Depends on how slow the change is. Some are not going to survive as is evidenced by the wooly mammoth, sabre tooth tiger, giant ground sloth etc. But to claim climate change will be the culprit of a number of species the authors will have to come up with more than this tripe.

April 2012: Earth's 5th Warmest On Record And La Niña Officially Ends, So The Heat Is On. by ItsJustAConspiracyin climateskeptics

[–]butch123 4 points5 points ago

Just bought a used 2006 200 dualsport 200 miles, other son has a 250 enduro and we also have a tomos, a quad ex250?, a suzuki 50 clown cycle, you know one of those little ones that your knees rise above your shoulders?

Scientists have identified thousands of sites in the Arctic where methane that has been stored for many millennia is bubbling into the atmosphere. by darohitsterin science

[–]butch123 -8 points-7 points ago

CO2....we are talking about the CO2 molecule, nice try to change the subject and attempt to place emphasis on other aspects of the Earth's radiative heat balance...

But we talkin bout CO2.

Because the whole scenario is predicated on CO2 increases causing H2O increases in the stratosphere and increased temperatures over the equator. CO2 has become the god of climate change, the rallying cry, the "Carbon" pollution which is the bane of humankind. Today's big lie.

Since it is misrepresented as causing more than ~ 1 degree temperature rise per doubling ...that lie must be explained.

Your dissembling over 5 different points but failing to address this key issue tells everyone just what is going on.. You are selling the emperor a new set of clothes.

Since you are (professing ignorance) of the basic aspects of CO2 absorption of Infra Red you cannot discuss the matter reasonably..and you then need to learn about this interaction.

There are over 4000 resonances within the CO2 molecule as put forth by Hitrans. Most of them are minor in nature and have little effect due to their minor energy absorbing resonances. A few have quite a large effect and the effect is almost saturated. The molecule cannot absorb any more at those frequencies because the IR is totally absorbed. (95% of the CO2 molecules are in a non-excited state and available to absorb at the main resonant frequencies and other outlying frequencies but cannot because The IR is already absorbed)

We know that the Earth has warmed around 33 degrees (significantly) from a pure black body temperature in part due to CO2. Also in part to other molecules ....most notably water vapor.

The response curve is exponential. ie it absorbs energy fast at first and then levels off. We presently are in a period where the doubling is taking much longer than in the past. To increase absorption by CO2 quite a bit must be generated. This is because the molecules are at incorrect angles or at incorrect frequencies to interact with the IR as it leaves the Earth.

2.)Time and space have nothing to do with this absorption....Temperature and pressure do.

The HARD science has been done to calculate these interactions we know it has to be ~ 1.1 C per doubling.

To get higher absorption we have to get larger amounts of water vapor into the stratosphere and that additional vapor is theorized to enable a hot spot to occur thus warming the earth even more. A runaway positive feedback.

After all it is CO2 that has become the god of climate change and if it is misrepresented as absorbing more IR than it actually does then we have been told the big lie because water vapor is actually doing the forcing. But you do not hear about this because it is unproven theory.

Once you have gotten to the point that you know how much temperature change is caused by the CO2 molecule and are not misled by incorrect assertions you can actually examine the problem with the correct basic viewpoint. However unless the hard science is put forth first and you build on that basis, you are just pissing into the wind.

5.)Once you make a statement under oath you are held to it. An attorney will drive a dagger figuratively through your heart if he catches a discrepancy. Climate alarmists have made many. The misleading about the absorption characteristics of the CO2 molecule is 1. The hiding of the fact that water vapor increases are necessary is 2.

The non-formation of a hot spot in the troposphere above the equator is 3. Yet all these are postulated in Models to get the fantastic results of global warming claims that appear.

BTW what was the name of the stochiastic model Arrhenius used?

April 2012: Earth's 5th Warmest On Record And La Niña Officially Ends, So The Heat Is On. by ItsJustAConspiracyin climateskeptics

[–]butch123 3 points4 points ago

er... link? or else people think you are just blowing smoke up our butts.

Edit: Oh wait a minute you said NASA:

or maybe you were referring to Roy Spencer

April 2012: Earth's 5th Warmest On Record And La Niña Officially Ends, So The Heat Is On. by ItsJustAConspiracyin climateskeptics

[–]butch123 4 points5 points ago

Rode my 14 yo's Suzuki around the neighborhood today.

April 2012: Earth's 5th Warmest On Record And La Niña Officially Ends, So The Heat Is On. by ItsJustAConspiracyin climateskeptics

[–]butch123 3 points4 points ago

Actually the tropics are much more moderate than the poles. This is of course why warm periods are called optimums. It is better for everyone generally.

Nearly one-tenth of hemisphere's mammals unlikely to outrun climate change by fungussain climateskeptics

[–]butch123 1 point2 points ago

This whole study is predicated on publish or perish.

The fears of the authors about being overwhelmed and bypassed in the research grant awards, by not publishing something on climate change makes them reach for a ridiculous interpretation. This transference of their fears to a variety of animals who are no doubt more intelligent than they receive credit for, (at least more intelligent than the researchers) sets the table for more restrained researchers in the future to examine the mental illness suffered by these guys in assuming climate change will follow the modeler's conjecture ...even when the models have been incorrect to date.

Scientists have identified thousands of sites in the Arctic where methane that has been stored for many millennia is bubbling into the atmosphere. by darohitsterin science

[–]butch123 -17 points-16 points ago

Scientific article? Why on earth would I need to refer to an article? I suggest you research the HiTrans database about the quantum resonances of the CO2 molecule. This database is compiled by conducting actual scientific experiments and not modeling. As a result it can be determined by calculation what the effect is of IR absorption by this molecule at the various frequencies it actually is in resonance. It can be determined when certain IR frequencies are completely absorbed by the molecule and the molecule no longer has any effect at those frequencies and the over all effect of absorption thereby drops off. (exponentially)

You then can go to the literature over the past 60 years when the initial calculations were actually done.(http://ir.library.tohoku.ac.jp/re/bitstream/10097/44604/1/AA0045942659366.pdf)

I hope you realize that this business of determining how a molecule or atom absorbs energy at the quantum level based on resonance is a known property of physics and is used in MRI / NMR and a variety of other applications.

Then you can compare to the climate "TEAM MEMBERS" who use modeling to proclaim based on conjecture..... that a massive hot spot will occur over the equator and AMPLIFY the effect of CO2 by a factor of 4. ( by creating more water vapor)

No such hot spot has occurred in the troposphere over the equator and their projections have thus far failed.

They can keep on claiming that this will occur in the future but their models so far have not been correct. It appears that negative feedbacks in the system do not allow for such a nonsensical result.

After all the Earth has been around for quite a number of years and has not converted itself into a cinder due to much higher levels of CO2 in the past.

Nearly one-tenth of hemisphere's mammals unlikely to outrun climate change by fungussain climateskeptics

[–]butch123 0 points1 point ago

Problem with the theory of rapid climate change over taking primates because they settle in a location or because they do not move fast enough or because they might take the wrong direction...is that all of these are assumptions. Primates live in all areas of the world. the home ranges are typically constrained by the type environment they prefer....however they are omnivores and can survive in many environments.

Arctic melt releasing ancient methane (BBC News) by fungussain climateskeptics

[–]butch123 0 points1 point ago

This has been an issue for years

Peter Gleick cleared of forging Heartland documents by an 'external review' by kokeyin climateskeptics

[–]butch123 4 points5 points ago

Sounds like a paid investigator returned the answer that he was hired to provide.

Scientists have identified thousands of sites in the Arctic where methane that has been stored for many millennia is bubbling into the atmosphere. by darohitsterin science

[–]butch123 -26 points-25 points ago

The CO2 ploy was debunked with actual calculations of the warming effect of the CO2 quantum absorption amounting to 1.1 degree per doubling of CO2....not 3-6 degrees as claimed by alarmists.

Now we see the methane ploy comes to the fore.

Nearly one-tenth of hemisphere's mammals unlikely to outrun climate change by fungussain climateskeptics

[–]butch123 1 point2 points ago

The study specifically calls out shrews. The Northern Short Tailed Shrew Varieties range from the Canadian Maritimes to Alabama and Georgia. This is an extended range covering several climate regions. No worries about being over run by climate change here as the temperatures in Alabama and Georgia are well in excess of those routinely experienced in Eastern Canada. The notion that these are little fragile balls of fluff that would need to pack their bags as in the Grapes of Wrath is pure idiocy.

Shrews live in every tropical and temperate land mass except Australia, New Zealand and other South Pacific islands. They tunnel under snow as well as earth and even hunt in water. There are 385 speicies of shrew world wide and they are not in danger of being boiled alive by climate change. They are resourceful hunters that live their life cycles in an environment that serves to protect them from the climate above ground. This study is bullshit on its face.

Specifically the belief that primates will not travel so as to survive. This is absolute stupidity.

Statistical analysis projects future temperatures in North America by fungussain climateskeptics

[–]butch123 3 points4 points ago

I suggest you read the article about seeking consensus.

Nearly one-tenth of hemisphere's mammals unlikely to outrun climate change by fungussain climateskeptics

[–]butch123 0 points1 point ago

Pity the poor chipmunk. Let us see, existing range is from Mississippi into Canada. Well that is pretty large but seems like the chipmunk will survive.

How about the fieldmouse? Southern Mexico into Canada.

Maybe these smaller animals are not representative. Lets see...how about a mountain lion? hmmm, Chile to Canada....

Well how about the beaver? US and Canada.

OK OK How about ..........Bobcats? lessee Mexico to Canada...

What mammal has such a limited range in the Western Hemisphere that it would be impacted by climate change? Polar Bears!!!!

hmmmm supposedly they have already been impacted..., Except they have increased in population over the past 50 years!

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